I've always been told and raised to believe that Eve was the first woman created by God. This may still be true. But I can't help but bring up the possibility based on the some of the verses of there being someone before Eve. I'm not saying this is the case, I'm only asking what you think.
These verses come from Genesis (KJV).
For your reference:
Genesis Chapter 1
Genesis Chapter 2
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Okay. Here in chapter 1, God has created humans (both male and female are created on day 6). Boom. There they are. Both existing.
Now lets go further into Chapter 2 where Eve is created.
2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
So if Eve is created at the end of Chapter 2, who was the first woman created in Chapter 1?
But it also sounds like on day 6, a man and a woman were both created in the same day. Maybe Adam named all of the animals in that same day when he was by himself and it only took the same day to realize he was lonely and needed a companion so God gave him one (Eve) but that's a lot for one day. But on day 6 male and female were created, that's scripture.
So what do you think? Was there a woman before Eve created at the time of Adam on day 6? Was Adam created, explored Eden and named all of the animals, etc... fell asleep, had a rib removed and Eve created all in a single day (day 6)?
It was just interesting to me that man and woman were created in the same day from what sounded like the same time. Then in the next chapter we hear that Eve was created to keep Adam company. There's a lot of things going on in a single day.
My thoughts?
I think it's probable that the Bible is going back and discussing in detail how it actually happened. Maybe Chapter 1 was a summary as a whole and Chapter 2 is more of a detailed look as to how it actually took place.
What do you think about this topic?
Thursday, January 3, 2013
Was Satan's Crime Telling the Truth (even though it hurts)?
We all know that Satan (serpent) was in the garden of Eden with Eve when he convinced her to eat the forbidden fruit. In a way, after reading it, it seems like all the serpent did was offer the truth to Eve (even though the truth would hurt mankind in the long run).
For your reference (KJV):
Genesis Chapter 2
Genesis Chapter 3
God says:
2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Eve and the Serpent speak:
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
God speaks to someone (see my previous post):
3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Summary
God said if they eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, they will die.
Satan tells Eve that they will not die if they eat it. That God doesn't want her to eat because her eyes will be opened and she will become like Him and have knowledge of good and evil.
They ate the fruit. Their eyes were opened. They then had knowledge of good and evil just at the serpent said.
God says Adam and Eve has become like Him and have knowledge of good and evil. Then he goes further to say that they can't let the humans eat from the Tree of Life because they will live forever (basically like a God). So he banished them from the garden so they couldn't eat from the Tree of Life.
Conclusion
So, it seems like all the serpent did in this situation was tell Eve the truth. He told her they wouldn't die and they didn't (God said they'd die that day in Gen 2:17). He said their eyes would be opened and they were (Gen 3:7). He said that they would be like God and have knowledge of good and evil, and they gained that knowledge just like God (according to God in Gen 3:22).
Yes, Adam and Eve disobeyed God... a BIG no-no. Did the serpent tempt her by telling this truth, of course this tempted her. But did the serpent actually deceive anyone or was he simply telling a truth the whole time that she didn't need to hear?
What do you think?
For your reference (KJV):
Genesis Chapter 2
Genesis Chapter 3
God says:
2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Eve and the Serpent speak:
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
God speaks to someone (see my previous post):
3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Summary
God said if they eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, they will die.
Satan tells Eve that they will not die if they eat it. That God doesn't want her to eat because her eyes will be opened and she will become like Him and have knowledge of good and evil.
They ate the fruit. Their eyes were opened. They then had knowledge of good and evil just at the serpent said.
God says Adam and Eve has become like Him and have knowledge of good and evil. Then he goes further to say that they can't let the humans eat from the Tree of Life because they will live forever (basically like a God). So he banished them from the garden so they couldn't eat from the Tree of Life.
Conclusion
So, it seems like all the serpent did in this situation was tell Eve the truth. He told her they wouldn't die and they didn't (God said they'd die that day in Gen 2:17). He said their eyes would be opened and they were (Gen 3:7). He said that they would be like God and have knowledge of good and evil, and they gained that knowledge just like God (according to God in Gen 3:22).
Yes, Adam and Eve disobeyed God... a BIG no-no. Did the serpent tempt her by telling this truth, of course this tempted her. But did the serpent actually deceive anyone or was he simply telling a truth the whole time that she didn't need to hear?
What do you think?
Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Who Was With God Before Man?
Being that it's a new year now (2013), I have decided to start fresh again and read through the Bible on a 1-year schedule. To begin, I was reading Genesis chapters 1-3 last night and its amazing how no matter how many times you read something, there always seems to be new things to pop up. I have had multiple questions already in just these 3 chapters alone that I would love to hear feedback on.
To walk on neutral grounds, I will refer to the KJV of the Bible. In this first post, I'd like to ask Who God Is Talking To?
It's clear here that God is talking to someone. Who do you think it was? Do we ever know? Was it Jesus before he was born? Was the Holy Spirit? What do you think and why?
Thoughts please...
To walk on neutral grounds, I will refer to the KJV of the Bible. In this first post, I'd like to ask Who God Is Talking To?
- Who is God Talking To?
- 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
- 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
- At first I thought that maybe he is talking to Angels. However, the Angels were not created in God's image therefore God would not say "our image" because they themselves do not share the same image.
- I then thought maybe it's the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). However, does the Holy Spirit look like a man or is it simply a spirit (was our image created after the Holy Spirit and God's image)? God clearly states "our image" meaning someone else is with God that had his same form just as we do.
It's clear here that God is talking to someone. Who do you think it was? Do we ever know? Was it Jesus before he was born? Was the Holy Spirit? What do you think and why?
Thoughts please...
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